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2020 presidnetial election

Discussion in 'Debates' started by MeepLord27, Mar 4, 2019.

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Who should be president

  1. Bernie sander

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  2. Orange

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  3. Starbucks

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  4. Ben shapiro

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  1. Viperfan

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    jesus dude, im not really that huge on politics to begin with, i watched the state of the union address when it aired and was impressed with what i saw but yeah im not even going to try to argue your points because that's pretty spot on, i do appreciate the time you took to write out that response to what i said when i really dont know much about it to begin with but now i do
     
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    Most people don't like him anymore cause he's friends with President Trump
     
  3. Summers

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    The democratic party is radical and has garbage policies. Socialism is not good in America.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 13, 2019, Original Post Date: Mar 13, 2019 ---
    False statistic btw. And here is an analogy that would still prove your statistic to not matter even if it was true.
    If there were 2 wild fires in the woods, and I had a solution to put out one of the fires but not the other, would I just not put out one of the fires because there are 2 wild fires that need to be stopped? And wouldent stopping one of the fires give me more time and resources to put out the other fire?

    Trump did release an extensive document detailing his personal financial holdings. Which is all he is legally required to do. AND WHO CARES LOL? This is just a pointless talking point that has nothing to do with what he has actually done as a president.

    Interesting how you use this as something that he did that makes him a bad president. I thought abortion was legal last time I checked? It was also 20+ years ago that, that would have happened.

    He beleives his locations are best suited for government events, should he just not use them because they also bring money towards his personal business? No, that would be silly. And Woah someone in a political position profitting off tax payers dollars and getting away with it? Unheard of! *cough* AOC *cough* and many others.

    Yes after taxes were increased during the Obama administration, targeting the rich, he put more money back into the pockets for the people who pay the middle and lower class. Not so they can afford an extra beach house, but so they can continue to hire and employ millions of Americans. RAISING TAXES FOR THE RICH JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXTRA MONEY IS BAD FOR THE ECONOMY. And yes, his family is in the top 1% that does not mean he made these tax breaks to benefit himself, he did it to benifit America. Oh and as a member of the middle class, I paid less in taxes this year than I did the last.

    Legit fake news. Turn off CNN bud.
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    He is not "anti-gay". He is against marriage between a woman and a man, and why do his religious views matter? Is he currently suggesting a bill to disallow gay marriage? No. Government shouldent be in the marriage business in my personal opinion. Try doing research before you let fake news effect your opinion on a person.
     
  4. MeepLord27

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    give me one example of "AOC" spending tax payer money in a manner where she personally profits from it.

    How headass must you be to look at someone taking government money and spending it on himself and thinking "he probably just thinks his businesses are the best". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

    Can you actually go about proving anything he said was false? There are a bunch of empirically testable claims in his post.
     
  5. Summers

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    She wrote a check to her boyfriend using her PAC which was partially funded by the government. Use google.

    He isn't taking government money and spending it on himself. (This is called spreading fake news) . That isn't even what Skaros123 claimed that President Trump did.

    To educate you, Trump hosted foreign dignitaries at a resort that he owns, which actually saved tax payers money due to him being able to host it for less than what it would have been to host it at a location he does not own. If you believe his only motive was to "profit" than you clearly have Trump derangement syndrome.[​IMG]

    Picture of Mar-a-lago for reference. Beautiful resort and a perfect spot to take foreign dignitaries.

    Who is burdon of proof on? I beleive it is on Skaros123 who made claims that the current economic success has nothing at all to do with the Trump administration without source.

    Also you have yet to say who you believe would be a better president.
     
  6. MeepLord27

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    I'll start with this. "Thing is false" is a claim that requires proof. "Thing is true" is a claim that requires proof. "Thing is unproven" is a condition that doesn't require proof. You said he was spreading a fake statistic which requires proof.



    Browse Disbursements - FEC.gov

    I assume you are talking about this (because you are loath to actually link anything). Hate to say it but you have fallen for fake news :eek:. These are in-kind donations, meaning they were services given a cash value performed for the campaign.

    https://www.checkyourfact.com/2019/02/19/fact-check-ocasio-cortez-paid-boyfriend-campaign/


    Spending money from government accounts on your businesses is in fact spending money on yourself. Conflict of interest - Wikipedia
     
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  7. Summers

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    Holy sh** do you not see what you just did there? You just contradicted yourself with your own two points in the same post.
    And no it's partial tax payer money (money given to her by the government for her campaign) and donations that go into PAC.
     
  8. MeepLord27

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    Her boyfriend gave the campaign services. He didn't receive payment as per the article I linked.
     
  9. creepersareokay

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    found the correct answer
     
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    SWAMP: PAC Aligned With Ocasio-Cortez Paid Her Boyfriend $6,000. PAC Responds.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM, Original Post Date: Mar 18, 2019 at 8:16 AM ---
    Police reports detail Beto O'Rourke's 1998 DWI arrest




    Comedy, but accurate.
     
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    Regarding my anti-gay comment, that was geared specifically towards Mike Pence. In 2006, Pence voted in favor of a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as between a man and a woman, to "enforce God's Idea." First of all, government should be secular, and secondly, defining marriage in this way would bar any other couples from being able to be married. Pence also voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would have banned discrimination against people based on sexual orientation. There are many instances of him being in favor of policies that discriminate against the LGBTQ+ community. I can't speak to his other economic/foreign interest views, because I do not know much about this side of him, but I don't want someone in office who will not fight for the rights of all Americans, plain and simple. There is no place for discrimination and hatred in American politics.

    As for Trump, I do not believe he is fit to run. Aside from my difference in views with many of his policies, he just makes poor choices, plain and simple. He is stubborn to a fault, and he incites hatred and violence among the general population. In addition, he uses his platform to spread misinformation to millions of people on the regular, (he is not the only one to do this, I know) but with his position in office, he has a responsibility to be well-informed so that he can make well-informed decisions. He does not exemplify the qualities of a leader, and that shows in his actions, speech, and how many of his team have resigned or been indicted. This administration, to sum up, quite frankly, is a hot mess. Could I do any better? Probably not, but I will vote for someone who I believe can, and I encourage everyone to do the same.

    Regarding your fake news comment, I try to keep up with current events as well as I can. I use multiple sources, and try to find unbiased sources (I don't read/watch CNN or Fox). With the current media climate, I think school should teach kids media literacy. Teach them how to fact check, be informed, and form their own opinions. There is false information coming from every side, and I honestly do not ever see that changing unless there are more libel lawsuits. As long as there money to be made, news sources will post the most sensational headlines they can get away with, and it can be difficult to keep track and fact-check developing stories and an individual trying to keep up with current events. One source that I do watch daily is Philip Defranco on Youtube. I would say he is middle of the road/left leaning, but he gives facts on the story (he has a whole reseach team) and then gives his opinion. He tries his best to be transperant every step of the way, and that is why I enjoy watching his videos to keep up with current events. It's the best way I've found to do this in a short, easy-to-consume manner.

    Feel free to message me on discord for specific questions/discussions.
     
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  12. Summers

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    Sounds good, I'd rather do than write a reply.
     

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