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Do we have a plan to regain our lost players?

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by AdrianIsEpic, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. SuperDyl

    SuperDyl Popular Meeper

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    That's a bandwagon fallacy. Just because many people think it's a problem, it doesn't mean it is. It could just be something a lot of people think is the problem, but it doesn't prove it is. Of course, it also could be part of the problem. I personally find it helpful because I like the server being family-friendly, but I know there are plenty of others who would rather the entire server allow non-family-friendly content.

    I would like to point out that the server hasn't banned that content from all of Meepcraft; as far as I know, party chats aren't regulated by staff (party chat is a thing, right?). That let's people say whatever they want with their friends, it's just other's have to consent to listen to that channel.

    And maybe that's what's a needed: a "dirty" global. It would be off by default, but players could use the channel to speak without much of a filter. Family-friendly unless you don't care for that.
     
  2. baku

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    I know for sure it's the reason I stopped playing, or at least didnt give the server a second chance. I know 4 people that quit for this reason or because they were permabanned for mild toxicity. If the only 4 people I know from meepcraft quit for this reason, I think it's a reasonable assumption that it was a major turning point for a lot of people.
     
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  3. n00bslayer_99

    n00bslayer_99 i like kebab

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    "I recently went on the server and found it to be boring, admin fix it." Did you consider that perhaps it isn't Meepcraft that's changed, but you? Most of us have been here five or more years now. Most of us joined as annoying, obnoxious kids or teenagers.

    The server doesn't cater to you, it caters to who you were five years ago. And that age group, those who are currently 10-14, are in 99/100 cases not going to join an aged server with an average of 2 players online. It's that simple. Every server of every game has a turnover of people, Meepcraft didn't fail because a rule was too strict, but because the server failed to attract a new audience as the old one gradually outgrew it.

    There's no point in taking shots at a single admin or a single rule. Nothing lasts forever. Look back on your time here fondly, because if you care enough to still be here arguing, you obviously had a good time.

    And shed a tear for the thousands of hours poured into the server and thousands of messages contributed to the forums when both eventually go down. F.
     
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  4. legendcaleb

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    It's their responsibility to continue to engage that audience. I hate you to ruin your sentiments but if you take a look at recent Pixar movies like Incredibles 2 or Monsters Uni, you can see how they are catering to the people who first watched their movies when they were kids. Any successful marketing strategy will continue to accommodate to those who began their success whilst still creating variety for new audiences. Meepcraft did neither.
     
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  5. SuperDyl

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    But you can't cater in every way to new groups. Pixar made movies which cater to the old audience, but they aren't likely to make them r-rated because that would alienate the new audience.
     
  6. legendcaleb

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    Thanks for rewriting what I said.
     
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  7. AdrianIsEpic

    AdrianIsEpic Popular Meeper

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    There is, ~10 players left for another server mainly because they were pg-13.
    The reset actually boosted the player count, and no one I know left for bedrock. These haven’t reduced the player count. As for the tech team; way more has gotten done in the past 5 months than what has been done in a long time
    I agree but rarely anything actually gets done from that, due to this most players vent about this in global instead. I’ll be willing to elaborate more if needed.



    @KlutchDecals given the chance would you consider bringing meep in a more pg 13 direction?
     
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  8. SuperDyl

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    I did not rewrite your post. I agreed with your post, but then stated that not all accomodations for the old audience are available without alienating the younger audience. Yes, Pixar creating sequels to older movies mostly caters to the older audience, but these sequels don't alienate the younger audience either. My post must not have been clear: catering to the old audience must be done with care to not alienate the new audience. The proposed suggestion (which should go in suggestions) I believe alienates new players. I'm not against the server reducing restrictions on the chat, but I want there to be care for the new audience who want at least some of those restrictions.

    You're right, there are people hurt by the change. I still stand that the family-friendly direction of the server isn't the main problem Meepcraft faces, but I made it to cause no problems when that obviously is incorrect. I was wrong, thank you for helping me realize.

    My point is that nothing happens by having the conversation on random forum pages. Those pages are never used, so we don't know that nothing will be done. If nothing does happen there, if there's no solid justification or apology, that's when the forums and possibly even the game chat become valid options. I don't know for certain if "report staff" is going to result in the correct action, I just know we should give it a chance because it very well might, and if it does, it will do a much better job than complaining anywhere else.

    @AdrianIsEpic , thank you for having a very constructive post.
     
  9. KlutchDecals

    KlutchDecals The Real Ironman Staff Member Administrator

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    Anyone that knows me even 10% knows I would. However the server is not mine and we have to respect Fuzzlrs decisions. If he says its alright. Absoutely.

    Do i think it will help? Not at all. We added a way for you all to use foul language and not be punished for it, and so far party chat is one of the most abused things. People saying “oops wrong chat”, or people saying things in party chat, then others spilling what was said in PC, therefore bringing it OUT of party chat.

    I could be wrong but, most of Meeps players have shown time and time again theyre not mature enough for any type of PG-13 freedom.
     
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    Problem is, kiddies love to gain attention through this way. Daddy didn't seem to give them enough for them to seek attention through this method.
     
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    As devastating as legend's final post is on this thread I'd like to bump it to propose a solution.

    I've came back, I have the summer off of work and i'm going to have a light amount of school, so I decided to play again. I played Meepcraft off and on since 2014 and have been playing Minecraft in general every year since 2014. As it stands Minecraft is in a small renaissance of sorts. Where interest has came back. I've missed a lot of the server's cultural shifts between 2017 and 2018. The core mechanics of the server are as solid as ever. I love them a lot.

    Things that are great:
    The quest plugin is really neat with a lot of potential.
    The jobs system feels fairly quality, I've always seen it as a passive income and not as a get rich quick tool.
    I made about 80k doing all the stuff that's available to new players and playing a lot in the wilds. I spent about 30k to get kitted out with gear since I'm lazy and on towny taxes.
    The arena is a lot of fun with other players, and provides a great challenge for just playing alone.
    Spawn is really nice looking and has a lot of things to do without like going to another world like spleef, and mob arena.

    The things that I feel just aren't fun are due to a low player count which is something that's difficult to fix:
    KitPvP is refined and feels fairly balanced from the little I have played of it when people were online, again, no players and it's no fun.
    The /shop lacks decent competition due to low player count
    There isn't a lot of competition in the economy causing sell prices to plummet in physical shops, but skyrocket on /shop
    Lack of diversity in money making schemes due to low player counts again


    Because I accidentally posted this i'm going to rush through my final remarks:
    In conclusion, the major problems I have observed from coming back with a fresh start would be remedied by a higher player count. The issue is keeping players around and threads like these with the heated toxicity really won't help. Most if not all people are very friendly in game and are quick to welcome a new player to the server and help them out. So it's a matter of spreading the word around, and making it as easy as possible for new players to acclimate when they do stumble upon the server.
     
  13. ghost

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    Likewise for me. Toxic is fun sometimes; beef between two morons is more hilarious to watch than just shutting them down claiming "they're ruining the atmosphere." For whom? Reading kids trying to roast one another is a great laugh!

    • Most players will just ignore that, meaning that the "dirty global" you speak of will just be mainly focused on what a few players say. Trust me, a large amount of people who play video games are straight up stupid. That's not even to be insulting; I've played a considerable amount of PC games, and on one of them, you can call votes to kick people, which players can answer with F1 or F2. Usually, out of a team of twelve people, four or five will completely ignore the vote. It makes a sound and takes up a very noticeable portion of your screen, but people still ignore it. This is exactly what will happen if Meep improves its player count, which is completely impossible at this point. Right now, we have one player on, and it's 6:59 in California and 9:59 on the East Coast. About as close to primetime as you get, if not the weekend and maybe a couple hours earlier.
    • We don't have nearly enough players to do that, as I said. This server probably hardly ever sees numbers in the double digits anymore, as I stated.
    Anyway, the last person to join forums was on 14 April, more than a month ago, and they last checked back here on the 16th... of April. I felt like trying to reform my virginity, so I went ahead and checked in on every staff member's last login on the forums (this doesn't count in-game, and given the complete bleakness of the forums, I don't doubt that maybe one or two have been somewhat active IG but not here, but I can't be bothered to check).

    • Fuzzlr last active in January (~3.5 months), our only dev last active in November (~5.5 months), Cooleys bravely hides his last seen, but last active in March (2018 lmao, 14 months)
    • Only SMod last seen almost 2 weeks ago, last posted over a month ago, another mod last seen in late March, another one's last real (non-FG) post also in late March, a third one last seen in late March
    • Noah dipped, hasn't been seen since early March, as did CaliWahine, quite possibly the most well-known member who joined in 2018, hasn't been seen since early April.
    • MasterofBoom (who I think is 13 and a dev here, yikes) last seen three months ago. Jadenpete (15 and a dev, can it get any worse???) on 11 September 2018 but hasn't posted since 15 January 2018. DBLOSEVN last seen in November 2018, last posted in July 2017.
    • One architect not seen since 4 January (5 months), another not in 2 months.
    I don't think I even need to sum it up. Stopping banning people for making slightly inappropriate jokes won't change anything. Neither will any of the other suggestions people have made. Blow it up and start over, Klutch. Fuzzlr doesn't care, and you're at the point where you're hiring literal middle schoolers (and then early high schoolers) to make plugins for your server, most of which you just end up pirating anyway. Sorry to say this, but it's over.
     
  14. SpongeyStar

    SpongeyStar Professor in Wumbology

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    I went in game just the other day actually to /seen all the staff to see who had been on. KyloMeep and Clueless were the only two staff who had been on that day (they're the ones I've regularly seen in game when I've been on tbh). The next most active staff was probably 2 days prior to that, then from there on most staff hadn't been seen for 7+ days some 34 days+. just because there's no players on meep which means no modreqs doesn't mean y'all have to ditch. aren't there any plugins to test or things to build up for the server? if you're doing work behind the scenes, which I know admins can do, can't you tell us? some of us can't be bothered checking trello. or you know just be honest and say you're not working on anything for meep lol.
    I know you guys have a life, we all do. but there's still a thing called supporting the community you love. and if you don't love meep then idk why you applied.


    I don't want meep to die. I mean maybe it kinda is right now, and I'm just not wanting to face the fact that it is. Because I really, and truly do love meep. It was the building blocks of my childhood and I don't want those blocks to fall down and break a part of me. it honestly can't be the fact that minecraft is dying, there's 100s and 1000s of players on other servers, how do you answer that? Our players are out there, somewhere. meep just needs to step the heck up. I'd like to say a shoutout to ck too because I feel he's done so much as an admin in the past few months actually, and looks to me as the only staff actually trying. so maybe if all staff were like ck that would be great hehehe.


    also this is super sad. I remember seeing so many people online at that time so many of my friends would be playing and I'd never be bored on meep until about 5pm my time which is about maybe late at night there.


    Like honestly. 4 years ago, I was still at school. I was super excited to head off to uni 4 years later so I could actually play meep 24/7 not being caught by my parents. lol. and I was so excited to go to uni so I could also talk on teamspeak (or now discord) to my best pals on meep. but wow, it's funny to think I actually thought Meep was still going to be the 100+ player base in 4 years time. If only I had known.
    now I'm at uni, playing on meep, being the only person online.....



    ALSO WHERE THE HECK IS MEEPTIMES?????? y'all making me a sad, soaking sponge. wring me out people.
     
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    Everyone who still uses this server is here because of memories. If something like this started today, it wouldn't make it out of the water. There would never in a million years be a community drawn to a server like this. I've been here for just under seven years, I remember joining as a really young kid, and I've stayed here through finishing high school and all that. It's an important part of my childhood whether it's in a sorry state right now or not, which is the only reason I effortpost on these forums. No server run like this could succeed; that's why the only players now joined well over a year or two ago, if not between 2012 and 2016, and literally nobody new has joined forums in a year. The issue might be with retention, I honestly don't know how many people join daily, but I honestly think advertising is also nonexistent because of the decrepit state the server is in. Like I've been saying, it's completely impossible without radical changes (and I mean completely starting anew), unless you bring in some cutie egirls, and I don't know if this is the type of server for that.

    I miss talking on Skype (before everyone started using Discord, something 2007+ kids will probably never know) with friends back when this server had hundreds of players. I can find myself in other peoples' 2013 MeepNetworks videos. Those times, for me, represent more than a dead server with an immature population, which is what I now consider it. It was a place where I spent hours on end when I was younger. I don't think I've ever played a Minecraft survival, or any other type of world or server, for more than a few days.

    In any case, it's Friday afternoon, school's almost out in California, which should be the last player boost, basically. There's one person on the server, one week of forum activity (including likes, which people used to spam all the time) comprises six clicks (and like I said, the vast majority of that is likes, not actual content being added) in the recent activity bar...

    Don't add any silly minigames. Our one player is not going to switch to KitPvP because it got added. This isn't a PvP server. Even if there are, say, five people on, they probably aren't going to come to Kit. Klutch, if you want to hear my 100% constructive input; persuade the good staff to resign with you and make your own server. Make sure advertising and all that can be handled, get good, knowledgeable people to help you set up the economy and server, and try to play Minecraft if you still want to play it. This server is going nowhere under Fuzzlr's "ownership." He's partying at college whilst you get yelled at by Minecraft players upset their server is dead.
     
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    For good reason, it's full of ads now and is a pain in the rear.

    Also, TeamSpeak is the real OG here.
     
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    I never knew why anyone preferred TS over Skype, since TS's interface/GUI has always been complete rubbish for me. I mean, seriously? Avatars are placed there where you'd normally see infoboxes (when you click on a user and see some information about them, it's not visible at a glance by their username). That being said, I have no idea what Skype's limit on calls is – if it's something like ten or twelve users, then it makes sense not to have used it around 2012-16 when the server could actually exceed that number in a third-party chat programme.

    A game I used to play competitively used Mumble, which is basically a clone of TS, and it just seemed outdated in its design to me, that is, they both do. I got upset at Skype because it doesn't store very old chat logs from several years ago, so I couldn't log in and read them on my old Minecraft accounts.
     
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    Ive used TS for years. Always have, always will. lol
     
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    It and Mumble always seemed unintuitive to me, at least considering the hundreds of hours I had to use it for whilst playing TF2 competitively. I like how sleek Discord looks, combined with the fact that servers are really easy to join and you don't have to pay for anything.
     
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    TS had businesses more in mind than people playing games, as with Discord. SunLife Financial had a server for meetings or something in my old town (no idea why) that I raided until they locked it. Fond memories.
     
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