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Is God real?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by n00bslayer_99, Nov 11, 2014.

  1. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Regardless of religion , be it Christianity, Islam, atheism, etc. If you pick one belief out of an infinite amount of choices, you'll probably be wrong.

    Is God real? Maybe, but not in a form we would recognize.

    "I am that I am."

    Maybe the fact we all are here is what God is. Existence
     
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  2. Sbaxman12

    Sbaxman12 Well-Known Meeper

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    Also, god regardless of if you do or don't believe in him, will judge you on how you treat others, he knows that everyone is a good person, and wants everyone to be happy, so he sets up religions about him. This is what I believe, so don't yell at me for having an opinion everyone.
     
  3. TheDebatheist

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    For some reason I can't connect to the teamspeak server. GoogleHangout, Skype, Discord, or anything else you can imagine is fine with me. Until I can figure out what I'm doing wrong on Meep anyway.

    @Sbaxman12 -- A lot of science, is hypothesis.
    I'd just like to clarify something here for a second. Hypotheses are used only in so far as they can lead to testable/unfalsifiable claims. A lot of science, the overwhelming majority is not hypothesis at all. It's about investigating, testing, proving. Everything you use on a day-to-day basis has been influenced by science. Everything from your phone, to the way your toilet works.

    So when people talk about the big bang, they are guessing that's what happened.


    Can I ask where you're getting this idea from? Who taught you that, if anyone?

    It is absolutely *not* guesswork. There is a large body of supporting evidence and argument to supplement 'The Big Bang'. You might be a bit young to remember this, but the static we used to get on old TVs is radiation flying around since The Big Bang.

    A hypothesis is merely a starting point in science. The minute it gets disproved, it's chucked out like yesterdays newspaper.

    And some how, a galaxy formed, and some how, a solar system formed perfectly away from a black hole, and our earth formed perfectly away from the sun, and everything perfectly happened,

    We would expect our origins to be counter-intuitive. We evolved to hunt, to flee from predators. We didn't evolve to contemplate the nature of the universe. The fact that we need experts in any field, proves that some things arn't intuitive, right? Why would we need biologists if the human body made perfect sense to your average person?

    I don't believe things like that could just "Perfectly" happen "Just because",

    Whoever has been teaching you Physics has been doing a great disservice to science.

    It isn't perfect, and it didn't happen "just because".

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

    Because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true.

    Complex subjects like biological evolution through natural selection require some amount of understanding before one is able to make an informed judgement about the subject at hand; this fallacy is usually used in place of that understanding.

    Example: Kirk drew a picture of a fish and a human and with effusive disdain asked Richard if he really thought we were stupid enough to believe that a fish somehow turned into a human through just, like, random things happening over time.

    I believe our father in heaven, made this life for us, on this perfect earth, in this perfect solar system, so we could go through life, learning about the good and the bad,

    Can I ask why you believe this?

    I don't think it's nitpicky to focus on the word "perfect" either. Are you being literal here? Perfection, without flaw. Could not be better. Are you saying that the Earth and the Solar System could not be better in any way shape or form?

    and I think we are all witnessing the bad in the world today. Because of all the dumb decisions people are making.:shifty::meh:

    Do you believe that the existence of unpreventable diseases lays at the fault of man?
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    Hitler? Mao?
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    I agree that a lot of god propositions are unfalsifiable, sure. But I think some can be proven. If your god interacts with the universe, we should be able to test that. Manifests = Tests. It's just that, as of now, these claims have failed to meet their 'Burden of Proof'.

    Satan a real bro, yo.

    http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/tenets/
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    Atheism is a lack of belief. https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/wiki/faq

    How did you come to that conclusion? How did you determine the probability of each god claim?

    Are you saying that it's possible for a god(s) to exist?
     
  4. 4726minecrafter

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    The reason that the existence of the solar system is possible is because, in essence, quantum physics and the workings of the universe are based purely on random chance. Our planet can support life, but for every planet that can, there are millions more that can't, because they weren't the right distance from the sun, or they weren't the right distance from a black hole. The fact that ours survived is simply because the odds are that out of the billions of planets out there, some of them will be able to support life, and then some of those will actually develop life, and some of those will develop complex life, and some of those will develop life intelligent enough to realize that the reason they exist is random chance and post about it on Minecraft server forums. The basis of quantum physics is that literally anything is possible, so long as it doesn't break the known, immutable laws of physics. This means that anything that doesn't violate the law of energy conservation, conservation of information, or violate the laws of any of the universes' four forces (Gravity, Electromagnetism, and the Weak and Strong Nuclear forces) can, and possibly will, happen. Newtonian physics can even be violated. It is perfectly possible that you could go to sleep on Earth and wake up the next morning on an alien planet, surrounded by sentient toasters. The odds of it are so low that it will probably never happen within the lifetime of the universe, but it could happen. The fact that things exist as they are is in no way proof of God's existence, it is proof of the fundamental basis of physics.
     
  5. Sbaxman12

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    I'm gonna stop debating, it's hard to teach others stuff when they aren't actually wanting to hear your side of the story :dead: I'm just happy being Mormon so I'll just be happy with what I believe in, and I'll stay believing it :D:happy::woot:
     
  6. seshcobar

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    I only wanted to listen to the arguement that would unfold. I don't care what a persons view on God is. but if someone is going to organise this, teamspeak is the best option :)
     
  7. WeAreNumberUno

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    maybe this thread, maybe another on the same topic, but someone (probs debathiest) pointed out that its not on us to prove that he doesn't exists, its on you to prove that he does exist. by your logic, i could say something crazy like "did you know that squirrels secretly speak arabic and are sent to spy on us by the soviet union? and since you have nothing to disprove this, its true? or maybe true? ? ?
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    first, this is a debate where your supposed to provide something to back up your opinion, then others are supposed to debate your opinion, and try to point out where you're wrong in the things you use to back up your opinion. does he wan't everyone to be happy? and is everyone a good person? if he knew this why not just send a prophet or an emissary from heaven to tell the sinners (in the noah's ark story) to not there crap off?
     
  8. Toastie

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    If you're really Christian, why would you say that to someone who is POLITELY debating with you? He's asking constructive questions and providing evidence, and you don't bother in actually reading them. If you want to debate in this thread, don't act like a big baby. Grow up.

    I have never heard of anyone in my religion say this to someone. Probably because you're only 12 yrs old, Jello.
     
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  9. 4726minecrafter

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    Says the one who likes Markiplier
     
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  10. WeAreNumberUno

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    @Jellobean1 this is the way i was brought up learning the bible, but as I interacted with more people, I found it was a very popular belief that if you don't believe in god, you will go to hell, so while this may not be your particular interpenetration of the bible, I was referring to the more common belief that i have run into.
     
  11. Toastie

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    IM A BIG BUBBLE BLOWING BABY
     
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  12. WeAreNumberUno

    WeAreNumberUno Popular Meeper

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    lol, are you just here to troll? because you have been trolling both sides. (if so i applaud your unbiasedness)
     
  13. 4726minecrafter

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    No, I'm here to commit Ad Hominem logical fallacies to trigger Debatheist.
     
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  14. Toastie

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    He didn't hurt my feelings, don't worry. ;)
     
  15. WeAreNumberUno

    WeAreNumberUno Popular Meeper

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    doesn't he have you on ignore?
     
  16. Toastie

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    He has his ignore list in his signature.
     
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  17. WeAreNumberUno

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    IK, and i think i might remember him being in there, im just wayyyyy too lazy to check.
     
  18. Toastie

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    He only has Ranger, Nuckle, and Weewoozesty blocked.
     
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  19. WeAreNumberUno

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    ty for helping me be lazy.
     
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  20. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Ok, switch religion for ideology.

    Simply because we have no idea how the universe began before the big bang, or if it was always existent. So the answer to "why" can be infinite. A god seems just as plausible as something just exploding and boom, universe.

    I lean towards agnostic, and while I have no belief in any particular God, I do not completely discount the notion.

    My own personal flavor of God is that God is everything, the entirety of all that exists as a single sum.
     
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