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rule change

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by junelawnchaired, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. junelawnchaired

    junelawnchaired neat-o!

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    Hey so this is something I've disagreed with for a long time but I just figured out how to word it:

    If you place a kid in a candy shop with no store workers what is the kid going to do? They're gonna steal all the candy, because it's fun and it tastes good.

    Similarly,

    If you place a kid in a KitPVP world or Spawn world with no protection what is the kid gonna do? Break everything.

    In both of these situations there's a law that has been broken: 1) don't steal or 2) don't grief. However, due to humans being humans and having flaws, they break the rules anyways because they're trying to have fun and no one is telling them otherwise.

    If a kid steals all the candy from the store without a store owner, are you really going to put the kid in prison for the rest of their life? Heck no! You're gonna lecture the kid on why it was wrong and give him a minor punishment.

    If a kid griefs KitPvp world because of a server fault, are you really gonna permanently ban the kid? Evidently, yes! ??? ? ?

    Do you see the inconsistencies here?

    I believe the rule should be changed so that if this type of thing happens, they get a 1s tempban and a conversation on Discord about why what they did was wrong.

    Why will this help the server? Well, for starters, less people will be banned -> more players and 2) you're teaching kids morals (awwweee) 3) this rule will line up better with the other rules (ex: warn players 5930 times before kicking for spam)
     
  2. Courtneyyy

    Courtneyyy Admin Princess Staff Member Administrator

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    I 110% agree with you however not everybody sees it that way. I'd leave this up for discussion but I agree and evidently some of the people permed were kicked multiple times and told to stop and they didn't so anger took over and everybody was permed.
     
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  3. junelawnchaired

    junelawnchaired neat-o!

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    tragic
     
  4. Courtneyyy

    Courtneyyy Admin Princess Staff Member Administrator

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    #youknowdalife
     
  5. Twomoo

    Twomoo Well-Known Meeper

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    Agreed, I was almost permed for accidentally tpaing to Kit not knowing what was going on.
     
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  6. Muunkee

    Muunkee Legendary art supply hoarder

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    This should be like an hour ban - at most. The worlds are saved. Everything is backed up (or better be LOL)
    We arent losing anything, no one is losing anything
     
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    Twomoo Well-Known Meeper

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  8. junelawnchaired

    junelawnchaired neat-o!

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    yes! I meant to say this but I got too carried away lol. it takes like 5 minutes to restore it at Most.
     
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  9. Courtneyyy

    Courtneyyy Admin Princess Staff Member Administrator

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    The worlds aren't even linked you gain nothing by breaking blocks in kitpvp.
     
  10. Muunkee

    Muunkee Legendary art supply hoarder

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    Exactly!
    Which is why a perm is not necessary by any stretch of the matter.
    - no one gains anything
    - staff don't lose anything other than 5-10 minutes of time at the most, which is not perm worthy lolol

    There have been multiple instances of worlds such as old spawns, the old kit, the current worlds being breached, and all of that was fixed via restart and everything was happy. Sometimes there was no punishment sometimes there was an hour sometimes there were perms
    its very heavily inconsistent.
     
  11. Natsu

    Natsu Popular Meeper

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    To me, I think staff needs a universal guideline. Staff members are human beings too and especially when they are dealing with kids, it can get tedious.

    Why is griefing 1st offense like a 12 hour ban while server grief 1st offense is permanent?

    I feel like the whole punishment system should be redone. Less warnings, shorter bans.
     
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  12. Courtneyyy

    Courtneyyy Admin Princess Staff Member Administrator

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    I really agree on this and I'll try my best to get something together and grab a few staff members to look over it. But honestly server grief isn't even a rule because it's not something that is supposed to happen and doesn't happen often enough for it to be a rule.
     
  13. OKNEM

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    But then you've got the issue of those players that keep coming back for more. If these new rules are implemented, then they'll have more chances to keep screwing up and saying sorry and coming back and doing it again. I feel like the rules need to be changed, but before that we need to control the issue of reoccuring incidents with one player.
     
  14. Muunkee

    Muunkee Legendary art supply hoarder

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    As long as we're on this topic
    kicking is a warning
    js
     
  15. bloodyghost

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    Me and my friend showed up after most of the griefing had already happened. I left when told to, and I told my friend he had better leave and he hesitated so he got a 3 hour ban. We both ended up permed anyways.
    Confusing.
    I certainly agree a ban was in order, but for so many people to get permed is sort of strange
     
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  16. OKNEM

    OKNEM Popular Meeper

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    Is there a thread or Ban Appeal post to anyone involved with this?
     
  17. junelawnchaired

    junelawnchaired neat-o!

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    It's already been resolved :)
     
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  18. MoonlitMadness

    MoonlitMadness Popular Meeper Staff Member Helper

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    I really loved the candy store comparison, just saying that was really creative.
     
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  19. OKNEM

    OKNEM Popular Meeper

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    Yeah, just hoping I could read it?
     
  20. Qazini

    Qazini Well-Known Meeper

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    You can find ban appeals in the forum subsection Ban Appeals.
     
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