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White privilege?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by MeepLord27, May 5, 2017.

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  1. Gaeyeong

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    jews already control the world, why are we not neckbearding out for 40 pages about how insane that jewish privilege is? doing a very small number of google searches will lead you to most CEOs being Jewish, as well as most people in hollywood. being white gives you an advantage in that you werent slaves hundreds of years ago, sure (not even true, but it's what some believe so we'll go with it)

    In recent days, companies like Google have been straying away from HIRING WHITE PEOPLE, coming from how they specifically look for minorities and women for job slots. There are a variety of companies doing the same thing, seeking out minorities, women, etc. and denying white applicants for being white. Google is dealing with a lawsuit at the moment because of this very issue.

    You could maybe have said there's white privilege years ago, but there is no such thing as white privilege anymore. Unless, you want to lump jewish people into that as well, in which case, sure.
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    I'd also like to point out that you clearly do not know anything about history if you genuinely believe that Asians (specifically Chinese) were not the technological powerhouse of the world for thousands of years.
     
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  2. MeepLord27

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    Care to address the evidence I posted on one of the first or second pages?
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    Jews are white buddy
     
  3. Deinen

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    I'm going to need you to cite evidence with your Jew claims because at glance it sounds ridiculous given the minuscule amount of Jews living in the world compared to every other ethnic group that exists.

    You are right a lot of corporations are looking to diversify their employee pool but that doesn't the negate the obvious advantages of being white that I've experienced my entire life and what has existed for decades before I was born. Recent days doesn't undo everything that came before it, the world simply doesn't work like that. Today has been built on yesterday and the issues of yesterday are still present.

    Here are just a few examples of obvious white privilege that still exist

    Opinion | Unequal Sentences for Blacks and Whites

    https://www.princeton.edu/~wdobbie/files/racialbias.pdf (Bail conditions)

    https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?tid=702&ty=tp (Statistics of being pulled over)

    It's basic fact that belonging to the ethnic group which has dominated the entire world for close to 2000 years has the consequence of being advantaged in certain areas. Being cognisant that it exists doesn't negate the struggles or achievements you personally have had and I think that when people make the argument that white privilege doesn't exist it's motivated by the simple fear of acknowledge diminishes their own effort.

    That being said, Jewish people are not caucasian nor Europoean they are semetic like most other dwellers of the Middle East. So lumping "Jews" into "White" is like lumping "Spanish" into "Asian".

    If you are interested in Chinese history I strongly recommend this lecture, it's a great listen. Yes, while China was dominate in some technology for a long time - they were unable (until recently) to successfully coalesce their dominance into a lasting empire, usually being done in by their own infighting and later on the western powers (Europe) steamrolling them.

    That being said, their technological dominance isn't relevant in these last 2000 years which were clearly dominated by another cultural/ethnic group. -- White people.
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    While the religion of Judaism encompasses people from differing ethnic groups, people from Israel are not white but considered their own ethnic group. Honestly they are closer to Arab than European in this sense.
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    Also to add, if your people some how miraculously avoid being stomped out three times -- You deserve the privilege.
     
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  4. Kling

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    I daresay in America there most certainly is since they have the black lives matter movement and crap like that but in Australia I don't think there is a white privilege because we are such a multicultural accepting country. There is a degree of racism no matter where we go but specificly white privilege in Australia not a chance.
     
  5. MeepLord27

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    Race is just a made up social construct based on perception. Jews, specifically the ones he/she mentioned would undoubtedly be perceived as white if their jewishness wasn't a factor.
     
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  6. Deinen

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    I'm fairly certain the aboriginals would disagree with that. :)
     
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    yea I’m judging you as a person because what you said explains what type of person you are. the type of person you are is greatly influenced by whatever raised you, and clearly whatever you were raised by was wrong LOL

    that whole mentality you have on what discrimination is needs to change lmao

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    highly suggest you don’t reply anymore :) bc knowing me i won’t stop
     
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    Considering I'm talking from actual experience my mates that are aboriginal believe we are on equal footing, whenever we got in trouble we all got pulled up and received the same punishment not a single one cherry picked out from the others. You've got whites and black in housing, owning their own houses and getting the same job opportunities as the other. Heck sifting through court cases there is not one ethnic group being punished more than the other in my area.

    With your statement of ''I'm fairly certain the *insert ethnic group* would disagree with that'' can be thrown at any group. No matter where you go there will be people from every ethnic group yelling white, black, yellow privilege. Take the schooling for example we had a fight with the Obrians (aboriginal family) before we became friends and they got a slap on the wrist while I got a suspension because they pull the ''is it because I'm black'' phrase. Blimey you even have them yelling ''you white ****ing dog'' ''**** off twat'' to teachers/other students and they are able to leave the classroom and return when they please without repercussions. Us whites do that in the classroom and it is straight to the principles office. So using that statement I can say ''well I'm fairly certain there is black privilege in Metford schooling''. I still stick by my word that there certainly is racism between every ethnic group on the earth since that stems from the person but there is no general ____ privilege in Australia.
     
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    http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/auditdiscrimination.pdf
    Australian bosses are racist when it's time to hire

    A team of researchers sent out 4000 fake resumes to employers in Australia, the data pretty clearly demonstrates people with distinctly Anglo Saxon last names (usually “white” people) get called back more than other ethnicities and races, specifically Chinese people. If you don’t want to read through the study the second link is an article that sums it up pretty well.
     
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    Great selection of data from 7+ years ago when Australia was quite more racist and less accepting than today which are/were the older Australians. Since you present this data does not mention that the general businesses were white owners because if so that would be similar to a white person applying for petrol station jobs because they are predominantly owned by Asians and tend to hire those within their ethnic group. It says in the article Sydney is the most discriminatory towards the Chinese, if you have not seen it lately you'd believe they colonized the place in today day and age so I don't believe they'd be more discriminated there now.

    My doctor is Sikh, dentist white, psychiatrist Asian, officers white/black, local takeaway is too many to count. Everyone has the same chance at getting a particular job with the right qualifications here and there is no particular privilage for people of that ethnic group to get ahead of the rest. It either comes down to family business and people not liking to mix which stems to all sides of society. My bosses have been English, Indian and Asian ethnics all within the same line of work with general mixed workers under them and all took the same route to get to where they are now but they were born here so all are Australian.

    I understand that whiteness has became a dominant identity of Australians due to the colonization but it is clear to me that every ethnic group in Australia has the same chance to get the desired job as the next which is what your link was about, otherwise I don't believe I'd see such a diversity of ethnics in each line of work.

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    Adding onto that I still do believe there are certain ethnic privilages in the world, white for America and black in Africa because the albinos get treated like animals in some parts. But within Australia where I live, I certainly think not.
     
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    @Kling black lives matter is nonsense. To even bring that up as an example of showing ‘white privelege” in America is insane to me. It’s not about ‘black lives’ it’s about any life except white lives. That’s what BLM stands for.

    Again, it’s not ‘white privelege’ if any race in America is capable of it. Using 1930’s logic, yes, white privilege was a thing. Using 2018 logic, no it doesn’t.

    In America, we have equal opportunity for EVERY race, age, religion, etc etc etc. Just because there may be less white people who get pulled over, doesn’t mean it’s ‘white privelge’. Maybe it’s because white people staistcslly drive better than black people?

    I got pulled over the other day, I was driving alone, I was speeding, I got a warning. It wasn’t because I pulled out my ‘white privilege’ card & he didn’t give me a ticket. It was because I admitted to what I did, I didn’t argue, I was polite & I respected & did exactly what the cop told me to do. He saw I had a clean driving record & let me go.

    There are many black people who are privileged in America, same goes for all races. White privilege does not exist. It’s called American privilege.
     
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    The movement came about because people believed there was a white privilege or another ethnicity was predominantly targeted in a negative way (blacks) compared to others, was it not?
     
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    What about statistics showing black And white people pulled over for 5e same thing get different punishments.
     
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    Previous driving record.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure 7 years is long enough to completely change the fundamental foundation, regardless of nation. The ethnic diversity you are describing takes the same exact shape in America. Do racial issues in Australia mimic America exactly? I doubt it, considering the population and geographic differences, and the fact America is likely much more diverse than Australia.

    Quite frankly I'm not educated enough on Australia to make any wide sweeping claims but I am dubious of the assumption that 7 years is enough time to completely rectify any bias recorded a mere 7 years ago.

    Nobody is making the argument, except you, that <race> privilege means other ethnic groups are unable to achieve the same thing. The argument is that minor occurrences in daily life afford certain ethnic groups a wider choice in how they want to live their life. Nor is anyone making the argument America is the racial hellhole it was during most of it's existence.

    In the end, your anecdotal experience doesn't disprove a concept we have figured to back up. In a lot of little ways white people are given the benefit of the doubt in a lot of little scenarios and that simply adds up. White people don't have white privilege because they are evil and are screwing over everyone else - It's simply because we were lucky enough to be born into a group that established the modern world in many many ways and dominated the planet for so long. If Africa as a whole dominated the world for so long we'd be talking about black privilege, or if asians dominated the modern world we'd be talking about asian privilege.

    It's simply how the cookie crumbles and all we individually can do is treat everyone with equal respect, it's that simple.

    I will give you an anecdotal experience to counter yours:

    I live in the ghetto and in my younger days I literally drove around in the ghetto with bad registration tags, no insurance, no license and a broken window covered by only plastic. I drove like this for over a year, often times carrying marijuana on me and I wasn't pulled over once. I've had police behind me and I wasn't pulled over.

    Can I prove that this was purely if I was white? No but I certainly wouldn't have taken those chances if I was black or hispanic.
     
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    I agree that throwing it completely out the window is entirely absurd, we still have the same backward thinking people owning companies but for the new CEOs who have been raised in a more diverse environment I believe the study would make a 180 because how it's described in the report of how Sydney is it's quite different to what we experienced when living there.

    That's why try to I keep it minimal as possible with American threads because the mainstream media portrays one side of situations and my knowledge of America is very limited. Only comment I've made on the Trump thread was a measly joke taking the mick out of the man.
     
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    Okay & the feminist movement was founded on empowering women. Look what it’s turned into. I’m not denying that it was created to empower black people but that isn’t what it is now.

    And as far as your point @Deinen, I wasn’t with you and I don’t live in a more ghetto area but trust me when I say, black people get away with a lot too. As well as other races.
     
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    Is that a yes or a no to my statement please don't ramble on about another topic.
     
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    My response to Kling bringing up BLM:
    Klings response to my response: (asks a question within hence response)
    Marlin answers Klings question, within the answer Marlin references another movement:
    Kling doesn't understand how to READ the answer and COMPREHEND it:
    Okay, now that we are all caught up here. I just wanted to make it clear that I did indeed answer your question. Anyway, ill elaborate it or ya! Yes, BLM was indeed created (by who knows) for the intent of empowering black people to be equal to every other race, to show that they have a life and it matters. There voice should be heard, there brains should be used, there opinions should matter! HOWEVER, being created on empowering the black (PC version African American) community and actually doing so are different things. It doesn't represent empowering blacks any longer, it represents getting rid of the white race. Empowering everything but white people. The same thing happened with the feminist movement. It was intentionally made to empower women to be equal to man. It was to show that women could indeed do what a man could do. That women arent just house wives and that women arent just meant to be in the kitchen.
    However, it has now turned into a bunch of crying, offended (men and women) who believe women should be in charge, we should only vote for women (all kinds of women, although the Democrats official twitter account just posted the other day that we should hire all women except white and christian women). So yes, it was created to empower the black community but that isnt what they do today.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 11, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 11, 2018 ---
    Please excuse my wrong uses of "there, their and they're" and other grammatical errors. I dont feel like going back in and correcting myself.
     

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